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Sunday, December 02, 2007

Breaking . . . Romney to address issue of "Faith in America" - - - - - "Mormon Speech"

From the NYTimes Blog

Jeff Fuller

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Didnt I predict this a couple of months ago? Yes I did. Mitt is now a distant second in IA. and NH is slipping away fast. I said long ago that Mitt has to distant himself from the LDS or his slim hope for ending up in Washington, DC would go up in flames. Mitt is now desperate. I think it is too late to save Iowa. The fact is, mainstream religious, conservative GOP'er fear the LDS like the plague. Mitt must renounce the LDS or his goose is gonna be cooked. God fearing Republicans do not want their President taking marching orders from GBH. Every American who is not LDS should fear the unholy influence that GBH intends to foust upon Romney. I dont think Mitt has the "stones" to do what he must do. I predicted all of this months ago when Mitt could only muster a measely 30% in the Iowa Straw Polls. And 25% of those votes were bought and paid for by the Romney machine. I think the Romney bus has run out of gas.

Jeff Fuller said...

Anon,

You need a reality check big time.

First off, as an anonymous commentator, you don't get to claim you "predicted" anything.

Second, you have an interesting interpretation of polling.

RCP averages have Huck and Mitt in a dead heat in Iowa (and you say Mitt's a "distant second" . . . HA!)

Those same averages have Mitt with a 15% lead in NH . . . and GROWING!!! Yet you claim that he's "slipping away fast"

Lastly, Mitt will not "throw his religion under the bus" or "renounce his religion" as you suggest. Have you not been following his campaign when he's said multiple times that he won't do so?

Anon . . . I hereafter request that you post next time under the moniker "CLUELESS"

Anonymous said...

Jeff, I feel your pain. Mitt is sinking faster than the Titanic. The LDS money is drying up, his poll numbers are dropping, the future looks bleak at best. After Mitt looses in NH he will have no choice but to "throw in the towel." Mitt has refused to come clean on the LDS issues. He has not told the American people that he has taken a secret temple name. He has not told the American people that he has taken blood oaths. He has not told the American people that his first allegience is to the LDS Religion. He has not told the American people than he has led a secret second life with the LDS. I could go on and on. Mitt has cooked his own goose. You and Mitt will eventually come over to the Huckabee express.

Jeff Fuller said...

Great comment Anon!

Just more evidence that the Huckabee momentum in Iowa may be rooted in anti-Mormonism than in anything else.

Anonymous said...

Mormonism might be fine for the state of Utah but it is just wrong for the USA. The other 49 states have done all they can to distance ourselves from Utah and Mormonism. The other 49 states count themselves as mainstream Christians. No one outside of Utah really thinks of Mormons as being Christians, and for good reason, Mormons are NOT Christians. It is just that simple. Americans want a Christian in the White House. Romney may call himself a Christian but we all know he is not. He is a Mormon who worships Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and GHB. Huckabee is a good God-fearing Christian and he will make a great President. I suggest that Mitt run for governor of Utah. GBH can be his Lt. Governor.

Anonymous said...

You're a senseless bigot, buddy.

Most Americans know enough Mormons to know they're nice enough. Who cares about the details of their faith?! You seem overly obsessed by them.

Huck will fall back down to earth once his record is exposed. See above videos and watch Mike squirm. He ain't no conservative on immigration, my Christian friend. Perhaps, neither are you.

The rest of us are looking for the best one--Mormon or not.

Anonymous said...

You're a senseless bigot, buddy.

Most Americans know enough Mormons to know they're nice enough. Who cares about the details of their faith?! You seem overly obsessed by them.

Huck will fall back down to earth once his record is exposed. See above videos and watch Mike squirm. He ain't no conservative on immigration, my Christian friend. Perhaps, neither are you.

The rest of us are looking for the best one--Mormon or not.

viragok said...

Anonymous anti-Mitt fellow,

I'll refer you to a few sites to straighten out your thinking relative to Mitt and his faith.

I doubt it'll work with you, since you're so flamingly anti-Mitt and -LDS. However, possibly others less opposed to openmindedness will benefit.

Evangelicals for Mitt is a wonderful resource for those wanting to understand how to balance voting for the best leader (Mitt) who happens to have the "wrong" faith (LDS).

Read and consider these:

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/i_dont_think_so.php

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/jim_bopp_is_right.php

These are fellow evangelicals who support Mitt because they believe he'll be the best leader, despite his faith.

Slick-Willy said...

Anon,

I am glad you support Huck and I hope you never change your mind. I have no desire to associate with the ignorant, bigoted, disrespectful or mentally inept.

All you've accomplished here is further solidify my support for Mitt and convince me to move Huck behind Rudy on my candidate preference list.

PolticalJunkie2008 said...

After Mitt delivers the much-anticipated "Faith in America" speech on Thursday, there will be a ton of buzz online and offline for Mitt. The day after this event, Mitt's supporters are hosting an event that you can check out at http://www.December7thforMitt.com

Anonymous said...

http://www.December7thforMitt.com

This seems like a very appropriate date December 7th also known as Pearl Harbor Day. This is the date that Mitt will join the USS Arizona by sinking really fast. Rudy might pass Mitt in Iowa too. Mitt is kinda like a Fourth of July sparkler that is just about used up.

Slick-Willy said...

How ingenious! Anon has been able to find two sinking ship metaphors in just three posts! If only they represented something in the real world... then he'd really have us.

In the last two weeks Mitt has gone up more in NH than he's dropped in Iowa. He's also gone up in SC... time to start bailing water?

Anonymous said...

As soon as Iowa falls into the Huckabee side of the ledger on Jan. 3, 2008 NH and SC polling will change on a dime. Thus Huck will have NH and SC wrapped up with a red bow on Jan. 4th. Mitt ran a tough campaign and very few people thought he would finish as good as 2nd in IA, NH, or SC. The writing is now on the wall and the fat lady is just about ready to sing. It's the bottom of the 9th, two down with the bases loaded with a 3-2 count. Mitt is about to take a third strike looking.

Nealie Ride said...

You are something, Anonymous.

You never thought Iowans would give this Mormon a shot, did you? Well, they did.

And they did it for good reasons. The first of many was that he was the best in the group. He scared off both Rudy and McCain out of the Straw Poll. Remember that?

Today, some are charmed by Huck and felt warmed by his faith pedigree.

They'll cool once they read more and more headlines of Huckabee about his positions on the issues, ethics, ability to lead/manage, etc.

This is a classic Huck headline:

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/i_guess_he_doesnt_stay_at_the.php

I guarantee more such stories are on the way.

I'll bet 50 cents that Huck is below 20% in Iowa in two weeks.

Anonymous said...

Good story at Evangelicals for Mitt:

Question for our brilliant readers:

What's the difference between Governor Huckabee's now-explicit message ("Vote for me because I'm an evangelical and you are too") and Senator Clinton's theme of "Vote for me because I'm a woman and you are too?"

Further question: We conservative evangelicals claim to loathe identity politics when we hear the latter -- or declarations that blacks should only vote for blacks, etc. -- but will we be consistent when "one of our own" uses the same line of argument?

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/followup.php

Anonymous said...

Here is a paragraph that you will NOT hear Mitt say tomorrow in his speech.
"I invite all Christians to the Mormon temples this Sunday to join us in giving praise and thanks to our Savior, Jesus Christ. All Christians share the same God. Let us put one day aside and devote it to the Creator that has made all things possible. Let us give praise to the Creator so we may all join him in everlasting life."
Now you are NOT going to hear these word coming out of Mitt Romney's mouth. Why not? Allow me to answer that question. Mormons do not allow Christians to attend their temple services. Each and every temple has guards posted at each and every door of the temple. Identification cards are checked. Visiting LDS members must give the proper code word. And lastly there is a physical check to make sure the person is wearing the "proper clothing." Now the Church that I attend welcomes people of all faiths. No ID checks. In fact even if you do not believe in God you are still welcome to attend any and all religious services. Now contrast that with the way the LDS operates. Is it any wonder that mainstream Christians fear the LDS?
ps I dont consider this "toasting" Gov. Romney.

viragok said...

Of course, he's not going to say that. First, some of what you said is not true. Second, discussing details (that only interest a fraction of Mormon-curious and -hating Americans) is absolutely insane.

No politician would do that. You apply a standard to Mitt that nobody else could meet. Rudy, McCain, Fred, and Hillary would never discuss controversial ?s about their faith on national TV.

Religion is meant to be private. Values, in contrast, are to be shared. What is so hard to understand about that?

So many in this country are figuring that out. That's why Mitt has been going up over the last year. It's not only Mormon people who are driving up his poll #s in the early states. Why can't some of you (and it's a shrinking #) get this?

He won't be pastor-in-chief, only commander-in-chief.

Let the Mormons do what they want in their temples. Why does it bother you?

Anonymous said...

Let the Mormons do what they want in their temples. Why does it bother you?

You have just made my point. What IS going on inside the Mormon temples? If Gov. Romney is taking part in blood rituals I think I should be able to know about it. If Gov. Romney is dressing up in a white robe with a green apron and chanting in tongues I think I should be able to know about it. If Gov. Romney is sacrificing animals inside the temple I think I should be able to know about it. If Gov. Romney is inside the temple giving praise to God, Why am I NOT allowed to join him?

viragok said...

Rest assured, Mitt is not doing any of those things. You seem to love spreading misinformation. Why don't you live Christ's teachings and no longer bear false witness?

You're not LDS, buddy! That's why you can't go in. You don't seem to be one who'd be respectful in about anyone's house of worship but your own.

You're a nut job! What they do in their temple (as long as it's legal) is their business.

You've appear to have no intention to praise God or anything for that matter with Mormons. You people can't be convinced.

Mitt will win over reasonable people. The few of you on the fringes are hopeless.

Anonymous said...

My Bible has a passage in it that reads, "Judge not lest ye be judged." Apparently that line is NOT in the Mormon Bible.
Very few non-Mormons have taken the time and effort to study the Mormon religion and their practices. If they only knew what I know Mitt would finish last in every caucus or primary. Let me leave you with one fact. The LDS Church has performed "Baptism for the Dead" on behalf of Adolf Hitler. The LDS Church also sealed Adolf Hitler to his parents and the LDS also sealed the marriage of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. Why would the LDS Church do this? Does this mean Adolf Hitler is now in the Celestial Kingdom?
What does this have to do with Mitt Romney you ask? Allow me to tell you. Romney knows this is true and he approves of it. The USA went to war to defeat and kill Adolf Hitler. The LDS appears to be embracing Adolf Hitler by performing temple ceremonies on his behalf.

Nealie Ride said...

"If they only knew what I knew?" You are a nut! You "know" way too much about the LDS Church.

Quote your sources, anonymous. I don't know and really care little about your claims.

I've read non-LDS apologists explain what kind of filth anti-Mormon material is. In effect, these scholars said much of what you've likely read is "religious pornography."

You just keep reading taken-out-of-context, not-fully established, fringe, it-just-might-be-true material about the LDS faith.

Just let it go. It has nothing to do with your salvation.

Your approach will certainly convince no Mormons of normal intelligence and judgement. You're far too extreme for mainstream persuasion.

Quit your anti-Mormon habits before it absolutely consumes you. It likely already has. Just slowly read what you wrote. You sound moderately unstable.

Why can't you figure out that the Presidency is not a spiritual office? James Dobson, Richard Land, and many evangelical heavyweights understand this.

All your Mormon-related jibberish is completely immaterial to this campaign.

What makes you so special that you still hold Mitt's faith (and random inaccuracies) against him?

You do Huckabee no favors to attack Mitt and Mormons in general this way.

Anonymous said...

I am happy to provide this info for you. If you would like any additional info on the LDS, Joseph Smith, or Brigham Young I am your man. Enjoy.
The Mormon Church Attempts to Conceal
Temple Records for Adolf Hitler

By Helen Radkey





On August 30, 1998, Don McAreavy, of Calgary, Alberta, Canada, wrote to the LDS Family History Library asking if LDS proxy temple work had been performed for Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. McAreavy specifically wanted to know if temple ordinances had been performed for Hitler and Braun on September 28, 1993, in the Jordan River Temple, Utah.

A response to this inquiry was sent to McAreavy on September 8, 1998. Typed on an official letterhead of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the letter was signed by Mae Dean Ashton. The address of the sender was shown as: Family History Library, 35 North West Temple Street Salt Lake City, Utah 84150-3400.

Ashton's reply reads as follows:

DON McAREAVY

Dear Mr. McAreavy:

Thank you for your letter of Au­gust 30th regarding temple ordinances for Adolph Hitler and Eva Braun.

We searched the International Genealogical Index TM Addendum and found no information listed for either. The enclosed printout is the closest we could find and you will note that birth dates are 1836 and 1838.

No additional information is available.

Sincerely,

Mae Dean Ashton
Team Leader
Photoduplication Unit

The printout Ashton sent McAreavy shows LDS proxy ordinances that have been performed for Alois Hiedler or Heidler (Hitler), the father of Adolf Hitler.

In October 1998, McAreavy was able to obtain copies of LDS temple ordinance records for Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun from Philip Roberts of the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. These IGI (International Genealogical Index) copies reveal that Adolf Hitler was "baptized" and "endowed" on December 10, 1993, and "sealed" to his parents on March 12, 1994. These events took place in the London Temple, England.

Roberts' copies also show that Hitler was "sealed" to Braun on September 28, 1993, in the Jordan River Temple, Utah and on June 14, 1994, in the Los Angeles Temple. Roberts sent copies of these records to Ashton.

McAreavy sent another mailing to Ashton on October 17, 1998, again asking her if she could locate information for Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun in LDS files. On November 17, 1998, McAreavy mailed a double registered letter to Ashton. He reminded her that Roberts had sent documentation to her that seemed to indicate that the Mormon Church had done temple ordinances for Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun.

"Would you please be kind enough to verify if the information that Philip Roberts provided is both accurate and proof that temple ordinances were performed for Adolf Hitler," McAreavy wrote.

Ashton replied to McAreavy's November 17 letter on December 2, 1998. She again insisted that the (Alois Hitler) copies she had sent McAreavy with her September 8 letter were all that could be located in the IGI TM (Addendum). McAreavy was informed that he could soon expect to receive a reply from the (Family History) Department Director.

On December 29, 1998, McAreavy again wrote to Ashton. He requested the name and mailing address of the Department Director because he had received no communication from that person as promised by Ashton. When there was no response to this request, McAreavy wrote directly to the Department Director of the Photoduplication Department of the Family History Library on January 25, 1999. McAreavy again asked if the Mormon Church had done temple ordinances for Hitler and Braun.

The following reply, again typed on an official letterhead of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, dated March 16, 1999, was sent to McAreavy from the Family History Library:

To Whom It May Concern:

Subject: Famous or Historical Figures

You recently wrote to inquire if temple ordinances have been performed for a famous or historical figure. As a matter of policy, we respond to such requests only when those making the request are directly related to the person about whom they seek information.

In might be helpful to know that, as an institution, we have no control over the names individuals submit to receive temple ordinances. However, we strongly counsel Church members to submit only the names of those persons to whom they are related. Furthermore, we believe that ordinances performed in behalf of any deceased individual are valid only if that person is worthy of and chooses to accept what has been done in his or her behalf.

The Church spends a great deal of time, effort, and money to make information available that helps not only its members, but all who are interested in family history pursuits. You are welcome to use the resources we provide. We hope you find satisfaction in doing so.

Sincerely,

Family History Department

In this impersonal communication to McAreavy, the LDS Family History Department clearly avoided taking responsibility for the discrepancy between Ashton's September 8 denial of LDS temple work for Hitler and Braun—and the IGI copies, supplied by Roberts, which seem to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt—that this notoriously well-known pair have, indeed, had proxy LDS ordinances performed on their behalf.

At the time McAreavy made his initial inquiry to the Family History Library on August 30, there were multiple entries in LDS temple ordinance files that showed that Mormons have performed various rituals on behalf of Hitler and Braun. These records can still be accessed. Ashton gave McAreavy incorrect information. Was this a deliberate evasion of truth? What are the facts?

Current IGI TM addendum temple ordinance entries for Mr. (Adolf) Hiedler (Hitler) show that Hitler was "baptized" by Mormons on September 30, 1993, and "endowed" on April 27, 1994, in the Jordan River Temple, Utah. This record was in the IGI TM Addendum at the time of Ashton's denial to McAreavy (of temple ordinance information for Adolf Hitler) on September 8. 1 obtained a copy of this particular record for Hitler from the LDS Family Search Center in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in downtown Salt Lake City on July 13, 1998—less than two months before Ashton stated that no such IGI record existed for Hitler!

If Ashton and her co-workers were not very efficient in their search for Adolf Hitler temple ordinance entries in the LDS genealogical computer system, the same could be said for their lack of thoroughness in locating the same type of records for Eva Braun.

Eva Anna Paula Braun, born in Munich, Bavaria, Germany, on February 7, 1912, was "baptized" by Mormons on October 16, 1964, and "endowed" on February 5, 1965, in the Los Angeles Temple. She had been "sealed" to her parents some time prior to 1970. This information is current and is easily accessible in the IGI TM Addendum, in which file Ashton stated that no information was available for either Hitler or Braun. Genuine seekers should have found these entries for Braun.

In this case, it seems these records may have been intentionally overlooked. Was it easier for McAreavy to be given inaccurate information rather than present him with any copies that he could possibly have used against the Mormon Church? Or, are the staff of the Family History Library so poorly skilled at accessing their own computer files that they missed the entries in question?

In addition to the IGI, which is a huge database of names and vital information for multi-millions of people, with an Ordinance Index attached, the other significant LDS genealogical file is the Ancestral File. In this family history archive, LDS ordinance records may be found attached to pedigree charts.

There are currently Ancestral File ordinance records that show that Adolf Hitler was "baptized" on September 4, 1993, "endowed" on October 12, 1993, and "sealed" to his parents and also Eva Braun on June 14, 1994 in the Los Angeles Temple. The June 14 sealing of Hitler and Braun is the same sealing of which Roberts sent copies to McAreavy and Ashton. These entries could once be found in the IGI. They have since been deleted, along with other entries for prominent Nazis. What is going on here? Prior to adding the 1997 edition to the IGI, it seems that the Mormon Church, intent on preserving its public image, attempted to remove the names of well-known Nazis from the IGI files. Most of the IGI entries for Adolf Hitler, Mrs. (Adolf Hitler), Adolf Eichmann, Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Rudolf Hess, and Heinrich Himmler were quietly removed. Also erased were the records for Benito Mussolini, the dictator of Fascist Italy from 1922 to 1943 and an ally of Hitler and the Third Reich.

But the deletion effort was botched. Some entries were missed, such as the ones still current for Hitler and Braun in the IGI and Ancestral File. The IGI ordinance records for Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess, which correctly showed his place of birth as Alexandria, Egypt, were deleted—yet other IGI ordinance entries still exist for Hess, wrongly listing his place of birth as Germany.

Also missed were LDS ordinance records, which still exist in the Ancestral File, for Paul Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Goering. These entries, which include baptisms for each of them, may have been intentionally removed from the IGI files.

Mormons apparently overlooked the LDS ordinance records of other well-known Nazis during their IGI purge. These records are currently accessible. Included in this liberal list are: Reinhard Heydrich, "The Father of The Final Solution"—Hitler's plan to exterminate all Jews in Europe; Alfred Rosenberg, hanged at Nuremberg for war crimes; Ernst Roehm, once the thuggish leader of Hitler's Storm Troopers; and Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, the Famous Desert Fox of World War II.

In May 1994 and March 1996, from LDS genealogical centers I obtained numerous Nazi IGI entries that have since been deleted. In this collection are copies of the LDS records for Hitler and Braun that Roberts sent to McAreavy and Ashton, with the additional sealing of Adolf Hitler to his parents on June 14, 1994.

I have IGI copies of all the LDS ordinance records for Hitler, which are currently in the Ancestral File—but no longer in the IGI. As well, my copies show another baptism for Hitler, almost identical to the one still in the IGI files under Heidler (Hitler) with the same ordinance dates. But the deleted entry is listed as Hitler (Hiedler) Adolf, showing a birth date of 1889. The Hiedler (Hitler) entry shows a birth date of 1891—so they are different records.

A mysterious record for a Mr. Hitler, of Vienna, Austria, with date of death 1900, and showing a proxy baptism date of April 15, 1924, in the Logan Temple, Utah, is also no longer in the IGI files. Other vanished IGI entries are a sealing of Adolf Hitler to Eva Braun on October 19, 1993, at the Jordan River Temple, and a baptism for Mrs. Hitler (Hiedler) on September 10, 1993, and an endowment for her on March 17, 1994, also in the Jordan River Temple.

The Mormon Church has attempted to deliberately conceal LDS temple ordinances for Adolf Hitler. This first occurred with the disappearance of many of the IGI records for Hitler and other publicly known evildoers of the Third Reich. Then—there was a second attempt to cover-up Nazi records when Ashton told McAreavy that no LDS temple ordinances had been performed for Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun.

Even when confronted by Roberts with IGI temple records for Hitler and Braun, those in charge of the Family History Department at the Family History Library, representing the genealogical arm of the Mormon Church, did not want to take responsibility for these records. Their implausible excuse was that they have no control over the names individuals submit to receive temple ordinances.

Like a slippery snake in the grass, the Mormon Church may have tried to dodge public criticism by denying its questionable proxy recognition of Adolf Hitler—the amoral and evil Nazi genius who was responsible for the terror and barbarism of the Third Reich and the loss of millions of innocent lives before and during World War II. But LDS ordinance records speak for themselves—Mormons have repeatedly claimed the unpopular Hitler. Anything stated to the contrary cannot alter this conclusion.

Deception is not the hallmark of a church with integrity. As the Mormon Church will eventually find out—even the most artful serpent can be choked by its own coils!


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UPDATE

PROXY BAPTISM OF JEWS: THE SPLASH GOES ON

By Helen Radkey


Behind closed temple doors, and unquestionably in defiance of the May 1995 agreement between Mormons and Jews, in which the LDS Church promised to cease temple ordinances for deceased Jews who are not direct ancestors of living Mormons, the practice never stopped. Since 1995, Mormons have performed proxy ordinances for most Jewish notables, including prominent Israeli political figures: Yitzhak Rabin, Moshe Sharett, Golda Meir, David Ben-Gurion and Theodor Herzl—along with hundreds of thousands of other Jews, including multitudes of Jews in the arts, the sciences and in the entertainment field—such as Gilda Radner, the Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges. Even Jews on the Titanic, who went into the icy waters of the North Atlantic with the Jewish Shema prayer on their lips, spoken with their last breath, have been proxy baptized and proclaimed as members of the LDS Church.

There is no way to accurately count the number of Jews who have been subjected to proxy ordinances since the agreement was signed. The figure is probably staggering and over a million. In seven years of intensive research, I have amassed a sizeable collection of copies of post-1995 proxy ordinance entries for obvious Jews from the LDS Church's database of posthumous ordinances, the International Genealogical Index (IGI). Sources are usually not cited in the IGI, but I have found many entries that were taken from identifiable Jewish sources, such as Holocaust lists and synagogue records.

According to LDS belief, the only way to enter the highest "heaven" is by being baptized through Mormon rite. Mormons advise those who protest that proxy baptism does not necessarily make dead Jews into Mormons; it gives their souls, which retain free will, the ability to choose "the true Gospel of Jesus Christ" and thus the opportunity to enter the highest kingdom in the hereafter. However, the baptismal and confirmation prayers used by Mormons in their temples are explicit in their content. Deceased parties are baptized by proxy without the option to decline. They are then confirmed as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by proxy and supposedly given the gift of the Holy Ghost, again without the option to decline. If Mormons, in general, are so adamant that the dead always have the opportunity to accept or reject these posthumous ordinances—then why is this choice not reflected in the wording of their baptismal and confirmation prayers?

If Jews live their lives in the earthly domain as devout Jews, why would they want to deny their religious existence here and adopt some other faith in the world to come? What are some of the deeper implications of proxy baptism?

LDS rites for the dead are unbridled attempts to deny the legitimacy of the religious beliefs of lives already lived and to manipulate deceased parties into Mormonism, under the pretext of supposedly offering these voiceless and defenseless souls the highest degree of spiritual glory in the hereafter. The practice of proxy baptism is the ultimate in religious intolerance. Who are Mormons to say they carry the only "keys" to open heaven's gates—and then offer these "keys" to Jewish deceased who must either accept this offer or miss out on "celestial glory"?

What Mormons perceive as a service to humanity and not an offense to others is nothing more than self-delusion. Proxy baptism is a form of religious libel. Heartfelt as it may seem to Mormons, it ultimately casts doubt on the Jewish heritage of all Jews, including Jewish religious, philosophical, political and cultural leaders. Centuries from now, when people look to historical documentation about Jewish figures, they'll find that the LDS Church's public lists may show these deceased Jews as Mormons. The private lists of the LDS Church will most certainly show them as such. Mormons may have removed many names of Jews from their IGI records, currently available for public viewing, but the LDS Church maintains private ordinance lists. And, once performed, no LDS ordinance is ever undone, nor is there any procedure by which an ordinance can be reversed, despite vehement protest.

LDS Church members cross the line by collecting the names of multi-thousands of Jews murdered in the Holocaust and inflicting yet another injustice upon them in the form of posthumous ordinances. These innocents died for no other reason than because they were Jews. For the sake of collective Jewish memory, their religious identities must remain intact. Proxy baptisms help to whitewash the Holocaust by attempting to remove the Jewish identities of those who were murdered. And for the sake of historical accuracy, the religious identity of these victims of the Holocaust must remain unquestioned.

Jewish Holocaust victims, described by the Church as having been removed from the IGI database, are reappearing in the lists of the posthumously baptized, name after name, family after family. Some of these Holocaust victims, murdered as young teenagers, have no direct descendants, yet the Mormon faithful submit their names anyway, falsely claiming descendancy. Zealous Mormons are still pouring names of Jewish Holocaust victims into the LDS temple system. Some of these names are showing up in the IGI showing death camps, such as Auschwitz or Sobibor, on the entries.

Mormons are attempting to revise history through proxy baptisms. LDS proxy temple ordinances for Jews demonstrate total disrespect for Jews and Jewish feelings and should not be tolerated by any self-respecting Jew on the face of this Earth.

Even as Jewish leaders hold private negotiations with LDS officials on this long unresolved issue, after almost eleven years of continuous agreement breaches by Mormons, where is the outrage? Are these Jewish leaders quietly capitulating to reassurances from LDS officials that there will be new methods to curb the enthusiasm of overzealous Mormons and prevent them from submitting names of Jews from whom they are not directly descended into the LDS Church's temple system?

Why do Jewish leaders continue to overlook the huge number of deceased Jews subjected to proxy ordinances in violation of the 1995 agreement? Shouldn't they emphatically seek redress from the LDS Church that repeatedly gives, and then breaks its word to Jews, all the while shamefully denying wrongdoing? Don't the Jewish leaders who were involved in the signing of this legal agreement have a responsibility to the worldwide Jewish community to take decisive action against this group of religious revisionists who think they are the exclusive caretakers of salvation?

Representing the memory of every single deceased Jew subjected to posthumous ordinances by Mormons in blatant violation of the 1995 agreement should be the primary task of the Jews who signed this document. Why have these Jewish leaders collectively abdicated their moral and ethical responsibility to ensure that the provisions of the agreement are finally and firmly enforced?


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Sample Photos of Hitler's Temple Records




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Also see:

Salt Lake Tribune Article:
May 2, 2001: LDS Try to End Unauthorized Work for Jews
October 9, 1999: LDS Struggle to Keep Proxy Baptisms Appropriate
Salt Lake City Weekly Articles:
August 19, 1999: Amazing Grace: Anne Frank and Hitler Share LDS Baptisms
August 26, 1999: Frank Family Removed From LDS Records
August 3, 2000: Baptismal Blunders

willy said...

Buddy,

Your long posts will not be read. Please be succinct.

As others have said before, we have no interest in your story. It wouldn't bother me either way (true or false).

If it's true, I'm sure there's an explanation. If it's false, there's a different explanation. LDS and others should not trust you to provide the background and/or context. You've clearly got your biases and ax(es) to grind here for unexplained reasons.

What you need to do is get back on message. This is a political process. We're not selecting your minister, anonymous.

These fringe teachings, happenings, etc. have no bearing on this election.

Mitt has good values. So do most LDS people I know. That's relevant. Adolf's ceremonies in Mormon temples are not.

Deal with it.

I repeat, if Romney's Mormonism isn't a deal-breaker for Richard Land and James Dobson--hugely influential evangelicals--then it isn't going to be for me, either.